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'Ganguly's ouster was wrong' December 16, 2005 17:24 IST As part of a series of weekly chats on cricket, Prem Panicker appeared on the rediff Chat at 1300 EDT/1000 PDT on December 15. Following is a transcript of the chat. Earlier transcripts: Also see Prem's blog: http://prempanix.blogspot.com Prem Panicker : Ooops, hey, to those Ganguly questions, could you please read the long post the link for which I posted just now? Prem Panicker : Some glitch appears to have knocked out the earlier posts, so here it is again: http://prempanix.blogspot.com/2005/12/sourav-saga-sequel.html Prem Panicker : India won the second Test; but that was a given before the day even got under way. The real talking points of the day were two decisions by the national selection committee -- one good, one questionable.Giving Rahul Dravid the captain's armband for the Pakistan and England series is the good bit; he now knows he has the job for the span of two very tough assignments, and can prepare his team, and his strategies, without the uncertainty of captaincy.The questionable bit is the axing of Sourav Ganguly -- and the timing of it.Firstly, he did not in this Test do anything that merited his axing. His scores in the two innings of 40 and 39 were, numerically, below his own par; but against that, by no stretch can they be dubbed failures. That is point one.Two, he was pro-active in the field, forming part of the team discussions and even playing a role in discussions with individual bowlers. Prem Panicker : Too often in the past we have over a beer argued that while the captain is in charge, senior players need to take more responsibility for keeping an eye on the game, pointing out things the captain might have missed, geeing up the bowlers and such. Had Sourav on his comeback sulked in the outfield, you could point to his attitude; in fact, however, he did the reverse and more than played his part on the field. That is point three.That the team is worried about Gautam Gambhir's form, and wants to explore a backup option in Wasim Jaffar, is understandable; it is difficult, too, to quarrel with the notion that Yuvraj Singh has long merited an extended run in the middle order.Granting all this, to axe Sourav after this one game, in this fashion, is merely compounding the original error of the previous selection committee, which did the math, realized it could not logically slot him into the mix, and created that mythical label, the 'all rounder', in order to squeeze him in. Prem Panicker : That was -- for all that the Yashpal Sharmas of this world rail about the coach -- a ridiculous act; more humiliating for a proud cricketer than being dropped with reason. Had Sourav been omitted from the team against Lanka, there would have been an uproar, yes -- but there would also have been a clear option for the team and the selectors.If the players picked did not play their role, there would have been a natural case for bringing Sourav back; had all the players shown form and substance, the case for Sourav would then have to be made by the player himself, in the domestic arena -- as, say, VVS Laxman did earlier, when he was first dropped after his failures as an opener.But this? To pick him as an 'all rounder' was an error; to drop him now, the insult added to that injury. At the very least the team, having picked him anyway, could have given him the third Test, to further demonstrate his fitness and form, before taking a call on his future. How fit him into the ranks for anothe Prem Panicker : How fit him into the ranks for another Test? Oh, any number of ways -- for instance, rest Sehwag, let him fully recover from an illness that, just a few days ago, saw him on a hospital bed being fed through tubes. Surely resting him for one more Test would not cripple Viru's morale? Nor significantly impact on India's chances at Motera?We can argue back and forth about averages -- to claim, or dispute, Sourav's inclusion. For me, though, his axing midway through the series (and please, spare the guff about being in the frame for Pakistan -- the team math is not going to change, so how are you going to fit him into that squad?) leaves as much of a bad taste in the mouth as his being corkscrewed into the team by selectors playing to a particular interest group did. Prem Panicker : Sambit Bal on Cricinfo weighs in on the decision. The instant reaction to the decision to drop Saurav Ganguly from the Indian Test team is one of sadness, because, in all probability, this is the end of the road for him. You wished for a better farewell for a man who will be recognised, when emotions recede and a more detached assessment can be made, as India's ballsiest leader till his time. Stripped off captaincy, he did all that he could have done as a mere soldier in the Delhi Test. His batting wasn't spectacular but his 40 and 39 were vital contributions at delicate junctures of the match Prem Panicker : And elsewhere, Sambit says: Ganguly's Test performances have been patchy at best, and as much as we might have willed him to go out on a high, it was only a matter of time for him. India are about to play two Test series against opponents who will test them to the limits and they need to give themselves the best chance of success. Yuvraj stands a better chance of playing through the series against Pakistan and England. He deserves to play without feeling insecure. And if the Indian team were to break away from Ganguly, it is better now than in the middle of those tours. Carrying Ganguly in the squad and not playing him in the XI would have been meaningless and created tensions that the team can do without. janardhan : prem - gavaskar says sachin can hit 50 test centuries. I think this is unrealistic. What are your thought? Thanks. JohnMP : Hi Prem,Don't you think Zaheer or Balaji should be in the squad in the place of Agarkar? Prem Panicker : That bit about picking him and not playing him is the line the selectors have used, too; in my mind, it raises a question: why not?Firstly, we seem, IMHO, to use the 'create tensions' argument without really examining it. Had Sourav been in the dressing room with the captaincy question still up in the air, there possibly could be grounds for that apprehension. But that question has been pretty much decided -- Dravid is clearly the leader. Prem Panicker : I would think that given that, and if only for self-preservation (we might also want to consider that he is not so sorry a human being that he will disrupt the team if he cannot lead it), Sourav would, rather than be a catalyst for tension, walk the extra mile to avoid it. After all, as a regular member of the side without any sheltering umbrella, his concern I would think would be to cement his place, not indulge in behavior that could get him axed. Varun : Prem isn't it disgraceful that the way the senior players like Rahul & Sachin have been behaving in a spineless manner when it comes to stand besides Sourav Prem Panicker : So whence came this 11th Commandment: Thou shalt play if thou dost pick?To pick him in the team indicates you have him on the radar; the fact that he may not make a particular playing composition merely indicates the team management's judgment that he is not the best horse for that particular course. Where is the negative connotation in that? For instance, a game might come where the conditions are overcast and the track and atmospherics hugely conducive to swing and seam. In such a case, wouldn't there be merit in picking Sourav the 'all rounder'? You would then need to drop one of the others -- maybe Laxman, maybe Yuvraj, or Gambhir, whoever. Where lies the harm? Cricket decisions need to be pragmatic -- not emotional. joy : I completely agree. Sourav Ganguly should not have been chosen to be part of this test squad in the first place. However this was perhaps the worst time to drop him after his average/or above average performance in the Delhi test. Prem are you aware of anyone else out there who could replace Gambhir other than Jaffer(in the openers slot)? Prem Panicker : THERE YOU GO, THAT IS THE SUM OF WHAT I HAD TO SAY ON SOURAV, WHICH SHOULD SAVE YOU THE TROUBLE OF ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ranjith : My theory is that Ganguly's selection for the 1st 2 tests was simply a political ploy to cajole the Calcuttans. You can't deny that now. Selectors couldn't wait to throw him out. ` bongboy : Hi Prem, Can you tell me how these selectors are selected. What is Kiran More's claim to fame. Most selectors seem to be a bunch of also rans who continue to affect the institution with their second rung decision-making capabilities kanika : I think u r extremely biased. According to u it was time for sourav to leave. Was it okay for laxman to stay who only has one run more than sourav in 2 series. Is it okay for agarkar to stay when zaheer and balaji are sitting idle. roy : Hi Prem:How do you think Agarkar is hanging on in the team. Is it because he is the favourite of Dravid and Sachin or is it due to some abhijit kale like shady dealing is going on with the selectors? In any case I feel it is high time Zaheer is brought back into the team. JAK : Dont you think the media is giving so much hype on ganguly issue? Criclover : HI Prem, Do you think Rahul Dravid is sincere and is not silent assisin in exclusion episode? janardhan : prem. can you give us any info. on ambati rayudu. He was hailed as the next big batting talent, but he doesnt seem to be ready to graduate to the big stage. Thanks sid : do you think our one day team is now good enough to do well outside of the subcontinent? Anand : Dear Sir, It is unfair to sack Ganguly in this manner and Is this the way we Indians treat a person who gave so much to Indian Cricket? Are you feeling emotional about this or Are you in the same boat as Mr. More? rao : Hi, Prem, THe aus-sa is turing out to be a sledging super bowl, as it has always been. SA has lost most of the battles. does it make sense for them to take on the aussie sledging? Raghav : My take on the whole Sourav saga is that he will be in the squad for the Pakistan series...It is just that the selectors have decided to try out Jaffer for the final test..and considering Yuvraj's good form it is not fair to drop him either....what do u think?? Sridhar : Prem,For the third test, how about dropping Gambhir and picking up Kaif and send Viru and Dravid or Kaif as his partner.I know picking Jaffer in the team was just to fill in a slot and he will not be in the 11. He is good only at the domestic cricket. Your thoughts please.. SharadPawar : Why is it that there are replacements being found for every spot except for 1 - that of Kumble.The giant that he has been, I fear how India will manage to take 20 wickets on Indian pitches once he retires..Are we just plain ignoring the fear or is there really no one on the horizon? Prasad : Curious... If SG was the first choice for middleorder slot (as in Chennai).. and Yuvi the second choice ( as in Delhi when VS had to be substituted for) .. then ...Kaif was obviously the third choice and it is Kaif who should have been made to sit out in AHmedabad. So, if Yuvi goes down due to injury or illness on the day of the Test Match, then we do not have SG as cover and we have to substitute Yuvi with Kaif ..who was ourTHIRD choice for the Middle order to begin with. Where's the logic? Dunce : What journalistic qualification do you posses ? I am curious since you seem to pass judgements and take stances . Are you a reporter or blogger with mass appeal? Hiten : Prem, Which of the following fast bowlers should be picked for the tour of Pakistan assuming they all are physically fitAgarkarPathanNehraZahir khanBalajiRP singhJP yadavRakesh patelHarvinder singh janardhan : prem. sorry for posting my question again but there is no one who can give me an update on Rayudu's career!! can you give us any info. on ambati rayudu? He was hailed as the next big batting talent, but he doesnt seem to be ready to graduate to the big stage. Thanks Ramakrishnan : Two questions.1) Ganguly stayed in the team for the last three years purely on politics and not on merit.So is this not a case of reaping what you sowed? 2)What does it say about the players like Sachin who did not even say good bye to him? Chirag : About the supersub issue, I think it is universally agreed that it does help the team that wins the toss. We have the toss not just to start the game, but also to give one team the advantage implementing their plans for the game. In current one-day cricket, the toss was irrelevant before the supersub was implemented. At least this way, the importance of the toss is retained. Any thoughts? curiousone : Prem,Do you think any self respecting country will tolerate the national teal coach giving finger to the fans who were holding a peaceful demonstration? Opinions can be different, but what gives Mr.Chapell to insult the fans? And, he has gone unaccounted. Every media has forgotten that incident. Why are we so shameless? ranjith : Let me change the subject a little. Do you think 20-20 is the future of popular Cricket? Say in 30 years, do you envision 3 varieties of the sport? Will any form die out? sraidas : prem why are you wasting time like this.is it true that u are jobless and can do anything to get a piece of bread? achandra : Also, what was our team after 1982 world cup?? We were only going down. Saurav is the one who brought discipline in the team and took Indian team to the place where it is now. How come selectors forget all that easily. In 1990's when Saurav took over, India was going down. He was the one who fought for his team members all the time. He was the one who asked Martin Crowe and Steve Waugh to shut up when those guys were trying to play mind games with Indian team. How can you forget such a great player and man gurus : Honestly the only option Ganguly had was to open with Sehwag if he was to be in the team. I wonder if the selectors wanted to even consider that Raghu-N : Prem, please answer my question about Ganguly playing for BANGLADESH for their good and for the love of the game. Sapta : Hi Prem, don't you think Indian selectors are bunch of jokers? How come they expel Ganguly? I believe we are giving lot of weitage to foreign coach. Dravid might also forget that Ganguly saved him to stay in one day cricket. I agree that he was removed from one day cricket due to poor form but no reason from test cricket. Infact they can keep him as a captain in test cricket. Ramakrishnan : Steve Waugh was axed from the one day side and was told to he was not wanted for tests a few years later but no blood spilled on the ground. How does this treatment compares with what we do? Are aussies more pro in axing people? Should we not learn how to say no? ravuri : Please answer to this. Does the board have a rotation policy? If so how come Gujarat has 3 matches in the same series, every series there is a match in mohali and baroda. why? and, How Vizag can be ripped of a match and ... all these young players will not be of any help abroad u need experienced players like Ganguly rich : Hi Prem, do you think selectors/chappell could not risk playing ganguly for one more match .. as it looked probable that he would get a century soon Sudheer : I think SG is a better fit in the one day format as a Super sub than test cricket. What is your take ? Gau : Prem, do you think GCs finger-raising is something so big to make a hue and cry about ?? isnt it just an unfortunate but trivial incident ? hrsmanian : Hi Prem, I am a regular visitor to you blog. Just wanted to know about whats your opinion on Indian openers. Why haven't we found a good one after say Gavsakar DEWW1 : Prem, I have long since been a fan of yours, and certainly don't appreciate when people ask for your "credentials"But don;t you think arrogantly snubbing them the way you do, just puts you down to their level? sraidas : prem what do u think about tendulkars hint that he will like to take over the captainship of india. lucky3 : do you think Sehawag should be dropped ? He hasn't been playing all that well for sometime. May be a break will do him good Ramakrishnan : Wadekar has warned Sachin to be careful. Is that a jibe or is that a possibility in the future? sdfsdf : Only One Question India Which has such a Rich Cricekting History and have Produced the Best Palyers Ever Dont have 1 Ex Player who can coach the team. Why do we need a foreigner. Example Vensarker,Kapil,Sunny,Ganguly,Azhar etc and mamy more have better records than chappel or Chappal.Greg doesnt even have a world record I guess... avinash : Do you think Prem that it is right to replace an "all rounder" with an opening batsman? ashh : hi dont exclude agarkar...u will be proved wrong....i know u wont answer it.. Sapta : Agree that there was injstice to Kumble also. But, Kumble lost form in one day matches when he was dropped but can be given chance again. That doesn't mean that they have to do this for every body. Also, there is one difference between Ganguly and Kumble. Ganguly also served as a best captain for India. subhash : Hi,The kind of lapse of COLLECTIVE performance of players after being in full flow indicate there is still hanky-panky (rigging) going on in the Indian team? As a journalist what are your observations? nilcritz : what do you think about GANGULY RETIRE NOW. This is the best time for him. He has all the public sympathy and will be remembered for a longer time. Parag : In your book, what kind of slump is acceptable. I mean, I am a national selector, how long do I let an out-of-form player disadvantage the national team (regardless of the player, or his past performance). 5 games, 2 series, etc.? ravuri : prem, why is our board always so unorganised when compared to others, others prepare the itinaries months and years before but we dont finalise until they are on our neck trying to squeeze tournys in between another? subburamakrishnan : Prem why is that that ONLY argument that anyone can make for SG is the emotional one? If he could open the innings, there would be no question now! How long will be pander to the blue eyed boys? Shriman : Hi Prem, were you surprised by Wasim Akram's remark that Cricket's run by the so-called 'Ghoras' ? Given the kind of over-the-top allegations he keeps making, it seems that Mr.Akram's practising to be a shock jock on some Radio or TV station. I believe he says these things to stay in the media spotlight. Your thoughts ? vinesh : Hi Prem, Wadekar's comments about 'Sachin also having to be careful' seem stupid at best. Does Wadekar feel that Sachin should be GRANTED a place as long as he wants one? In my eyes, this comment, does not reflect well on his cricketing acumen sp : Prem, lets assume that you are a selector, coach and a captain for the day. Lets pick your paying 11 (you are free to pick anyone from domestic cricket as well). I am sure that won't be an easy task but that will give better explain your thoughts on current Indian cricket affairs. cooldude1 : Don't you think Ganguly should at least have been given the option to open (instead of Gambhir) and see how well he performs in test matches before dumping him? narayangl : What is your take on sreeshanth. Will he blossom into a good fast bowler? Batty : Why do u want to compare kumble and Ganguly ? Every time somebody speak bt gangulys exclusion, then u will speak abt Kumble being ignored. Kumble has been given more than one year of chances in one dayers. Even when he was brough for the srilank trip, he didnt perform well. I am not against Kumble. But comparing the record of Ganguly and Kumble is not worth, in one dayers. Ganguly has proved and he can at the least be used a bowlin option in oned dayers though batting is main..although the fileding remains the ames hkl : Prem what is your take on the the phenomenon that Calcutta stopped watching cricket or least showed less interest ever since Ganguly was ousted from the captaincy?.Just wanted your opnion on this rather sad phenomenon, has this been observed elsewhere in India when a native son of the soil was no more the captain?Thanks keep up the good work. roshanj : why are we reluctant to play Bangladesh. It would be a good chance to blood players like Venugopal Rao and Raina and also perhaps give a chace to venues like Dharmasala and Assam to host international matches. vinesh : Hi Prem, Have you researched Chappell's previous coaching tenures? It has been mentioned that the results werent great. But is there something that he showed that went beyond results? subburamakrishnan : Prem, I think More found himself between a rock and a hard place..I mean...he was the chair of the previous comm too...Which is why he has egg on his face now! Do you agree? ak018 : Prem, What happened to your blog? Don't see link for it anymore 8723bb : Under John Wright's coaching India was a united team and we won man matches and nobody called it team Wright. Now all of a sudden under Chappell this is team Chappel. It does smell something else than what Chappel wants us to belive like only improvement of India's cricket is in his mind. What's your take on that? hiten_mehta : Prem, should we have 2nd wicketkeeper in the squad for pakistan tour? ramanG : I think the Indian team management has always been reluctant of picking an upcoming player over an experienced out of form player in the playing 11. Although I think that the decision to drop Saurav from the squad is harsh, this has made it easier for the management to give a chance to players like Yuvraj and Kaif. Ideally saurav shud still have been in the team but sitting on the bench putting pressure on the middle order batsmen to perform. We don't want to do the same with yuvraj and kaif as we did with Srinath, do we? Your comments..? dev : Prem, I think Ganguly was not dropped because of cricketing reasons. Cause Ganguly's exclusion defies cricketing logic.I think the spat with Chapel is the major reason of his exclusion. Cause in the ODI's they said, they won;t take Ganguly to disturb the winning combination. Yet in tests, they do the exact same thing, by not only dropping a member from the winning combination, but also a performer in that win! Shank : Prem, on general cricketing matters, do you think cricket should adopt challenges similar to NFL ? A team can have two challenges, for example, and if they lose it, they get docked one over or so.Just a thought. This will atleast give the team a chance to challenge unfair or wrong decisions. I also feel the third umpire should have the authority to overrule on field decisions if there is proper evidence. There are far too many incompetent umpires in the game who are giving out wrong decisions. What do you think ? aroy : I like your reviews. Do you think, however, playing serious cricket to a certain level gives you a different perspective as a journalist vs. someone who is just a journalist but never played serious cricket? How does one get such a perspective which only comes from hands on experience? Again, this is not a jibe or sledging. It is an honest question from someone who likes, but not necessarily 100% agrees with, your reviews / columns. xy : PRem, When you talk about sliding from 2 to 7 in ODI, what timeframe are you talking about? Is it from the beginning of JW to the end of JW or some arbitrary timeframe? Hal : Prem..I have noticed that you don't gel well with Ganguly, for past few years ? did u have meet him actually anytime ? Gau : Prem what does one have to do to be a successful cricket writer/blogger ? Hal : Prem ..May I know whats your regular job, if you have any ? gangfan : Is the verbal sledgings going on between AUS and SA, good for the game? What is your opinion sraidas : PREM DO U THINK THAT GANGULY HAS AN ATTITUDE PROBLEM....REMEMBER HE REFUSING TO CARRY BOTTLES TO PLAYERS ON FIELD......IS NOT THAT RUDE AND FILTHY? AKT : Do you think Ganguly would have been still playing for India had he not made a comment about Chappel during the series with Zimbabwe?? hiten_mehta : Prem, Shoaib akhtar suggested 2 bouncers per over in ODI what do you think about that ? rv : Now the indian team/management is switching combinations i mean the batting order and also the team very often. does this create some kind of insecurity in the team dev : Prem, what should Sourav have to do to come back in the team? When he was first ousted from the ODI and from the ODI captaincy, 1) He did not hesitate captaining the talented East Zone side in Duleep Trophy and then the Bengal side, in Ranji Trophy 2) According to East Zone and Bengal coach, he did hard training, and was fit as ever 3) With the ball, he took important wickets 4) With the bat, he scored 2 important centuries in 3 games. 5) While in team india, he did not hesitate to offer tips to Rahul and even helped in field settings 6) He made decent contributions in 2 out of 3 innings he played. What more can an individual do. PREM, chief, YOUR SUGGESTIONS. please!! SauravGanguly : Do you actually type your answers into keybord or someone does it for you? Binay : After Pawar came in the picture. 3 Selecters immediately lost their jobs. Selectors are handpicked without the required knowledge (read vision), and cricketing skills, At best More knows a little but rest...too much politics on Indian Cricket filled with telents but shame on GC, Selectors and BCCI...I don't see good future of Indian Cricket if there are this much of discontent...The Seletors, BCCI, Captain and Coach should have a very transparent system based on performance only..and that too present performance and not too much concerned with looking into future... Swadeshi : Prem, one last question... you have answered none of mine. Anyways, Now that you are in NY for the most part... How are you able to get info (other than online reading) about games, players interviews etc.. Does rediff get some special info to you? Or do you get all Indian newspapers in NY everyday? Prem Panicker : WITH WHICH, FOLKS, NEED TO SHUT DOWN, AND GET BACK TO THE INDIA ABROAD PRODUCTION WORK. BE BACK NEXT WEEK, SAME TIME. DEWW1 : c'mon prem, answer -- ganguly's exclusion: right or wrong? No platitudes please, just one word dev : Prem, I thought you promised us 2 hours to make up for the quick leaving, last week:(?? Prem Panicker : RIGHTO, GUYS, OVER AND OUT FOR THE DAY, SEE YOU NEXT WEEK Prem Panicker : AND WITH THAT, GOOD BYE Sri Lanka's tour of India 2005: The Complete Coverage
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